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Will have to correct you, X Elite’s NPU is significantly slower than Apple’s M4. they measure 45 TOPS at INT4 whereas M4 is 38 TOPS AT FP32. INT4 is much faster since it’s nowhere near as complex as FP32, you don’t have to account for exponent and significands. If Apple measured at INT4 their TOPS would be significantly faster.

the snapdragon x elite is history. its outdated bc it was being compared to 1 year old apple chips and is already surpassed by M4 😂

I just want this to come out....apple is just getting products out with the M4, meanwhile im pretty sure this stuff is going slowly just simply sue to microsoft being an absolutely messy company internally. I just want to know if we can run linux on this thing

From the stories I've heard, Microsoft needs Partner help to optimize the OS for a architecture similarly to how AMD helped Microsoft with AMD64. If the rumors are true and AMD has a ARM SoC on the works, maybe they'll be able to help Microsoft optimize Windows for ARM.

I am interested in Linux on arm performance😁

For me personally it's not important whether it outperforms the competition in absolute terms. What I'd want is to finally see is a proper, thin, power-efficient Windows-based tablet. Mostly because Android and iPad OS is very limiting for certain workloads, most notably programming - manufacturers can sell powerful tablets with keyboards, but with those operating systems they'll never be a full computer.

(curb your enthusiasm theme plays)

Please a comparison between the X Elite and the m4

Snapdragon X Elite has 4.6 Tflops... to weak, Z1 Extreme has 6Tflops at 25w. Faking charts is normal as it seems.

The court case is still on target for September where we will find out if Qualcomm has used ARM IP for a quick route to success rather than paying the licenses. I have read a bit about it and it is a difficult one and probably above my pay grade. But if ARM wins they can ban Qualcomm from using it or request compensation. Apparently Qualcomm has given guarantees to partner OEMs in case they lose. Though inevitably there may be appeals. But losing the first round could give ARM the right to seek a ban whilst the appeal is pending. It does appear that along with using ex-Apple engineers, Qualcomm has taken advantage of access to ARM IP. I suppose that was the only way as previous efforts had sucked, so they obviously couldn’t compete using their own architecture.

I need a new laptop and I am confused whether to go with Snapdragon Based laptop on arm or to buy meteor lake based laptop just for casual day to day use Please elp

I hope it runs Linux well

Qualcomm...all hype.

Excellent overview. Will be watching the progress on this.

Considering Apple was an original founder of ARM and people have believed for years Samsung “makes” Apple displays as in designed them not simply built them, I give the original chip design to Apple. Even OLED is believed to be a Samsung creation when Kodac or Corning licensed that technology.

@High Yield @1:00 that's partially wrong: Apple still used IP for it's GPUs for a while of an UK based chip desiger company (Imagination technologies) before 2017 and again starting 2020 (and probably in the meantime aswell)

Snapdragon X Elite will have also official support for linux.

Well I think the founders didn't get that much from apple. Most of them seemed to have worked prior for ARM chips. I doubt that Qualcomm will get much from that why? Because the OS they put on top of it is the pretty much trash Windows platform. With terrible IO/Memory/Network performance the only thing they can really bling with is the old DX stuff as they have a better arch there but that makes it sort of pointless when we look at mobile tile based gpu's. The AI stuff I dunno what I should do with them..

The good news about Windows on ARM this time is that Snapdragon X Elite has a single type of cores. As can still be seen, Windows is still incapable of dealing with mixed core types like Intel's 12th, 13th and 14th gen and AMD's dual-CCD X3D chips. I mean, it's been ONLY almost 3 years since Windows 11 launched, promising to take good care of that. Intel's APO also clearly suggests that Microsoft know what they are doing, perfectly scheduling all the games between P and E cores. And not wasting time on things like ads or forcing Edge down users' throat or stupid blacklists for actually useful programs. /s TL:DR; all P-cores design of Snapdragon X Elite should help Windows' crippled scheduler. Hopefully their version of Rosetta 2 is also good enough, they had YEARS to do it well. And, most importantly, the arguably most used program nowadays - the Internet Browser - all major ones have full, proper ARM support. So all in all, good chances that Windows will work ok this time around. I still think it's waay too much hype. But, hey, it should be at least entertaining to see the chips arrive and the tests coming in. Can't wait to see the Linux benchmarks too. I know it's hard to believe, but I'm not a Windows nor Microsoft fan nowadays.

Nuvia is fantastic but Qualcomm will find a way to screw it up 😂 Qualcomm is a disaster

There is just so much we will have to wait and see... without any efficiency cores, how are they getting this claimed battery life? Just turning off cores? Lowering clock speed? How much software has been optimized for Arm? I understand Windows is adding better support, but even that seems buggy and how good are the compilers to port? Or are they going to run in emulation of some sort? Leaks are showing Qualcomm is going for SUPER cheap prices though... so that could help.

Use Dark Themes, is better for the eyes, I really need it, white background hurts my eyes. I'll be interested in: X Elite vs M4, fight!

To your point about Windows, I think Microsoft has finally realized they must do what Apple has done and create a translation Rosetta2-like layer to allow x86 apps to run on ARM. From what I’ve read they’ve actually done that, and seems like the performance is pretty good, up to 90-95% of the original in some cases. Although I have to say I haven’t tried it myself. Thank you for another great video!

in some ways it kinda makes more sense to compare a low power mobile chip to a server cpu than to a desktop one - its the desktop thats the odd man out with little to no concern for efficiency but in either way its still apples to oranges comparisons. different use case different workload different constraints cheers!

there will be so many windows issues no doubt. hopefully the laptops aren't too pricy and the RAM is upgradeable, looking forward to getting the new vivobook and running ubuntu on it. hopefully i can turn it into a proxmox server at some point but I'm sure thats harder than i think

If Qualcomm is to be trusted with their promises, these chips are expected to have good Linux support, which is something I'm looking forward to.

I’m very interested in ARM laptops and might get one for my aging MacBook from 2013. But as Asahi-Linux isn’t quite ready for what I need and the awful repairability of Apple Devices, it would be a Laptop with a Snapdragon. Considering that Linux probably has the best ARM experience today. It might be the ultimate laptop for me. I’ll look how the different laptops stack up with Linux support.

Looking forward to this one 😉

People are missing the point of the X Elite this chip is targeting Intel and AMD not Apple.

Love your content. Cannot wait for the next video!

Tomorrow, history is about to be written

Good to hear that now MS/Windows faction have new chip comparable to Apple M series chips. I hope that new MS device with QC SDX will be as impressive as when Apple introduced M1 chip on Apple Macbook. Competiton is always right.

Sad that it is arm and not riscv.

Babe wake up! a High Yield video dropped!

I was excited about Qualcomm's first attempt at a laptop APU until somebody raised the huge red flag pointing to its probably disappointing actual Gen 1 performance: The Snapdragon X Elite offering from ASUS will be a Vivobook.

Absolutely do the suggested video when these chips and M4 debuts

i'd love a detailed compare between m4 and the x elite die shots

Very interesting, thanks for the video !

very excited

I hope they have a huge gpu boost with coming years. 4.6 tera is cool for a soc but that is a lowend gpu. They need to double it.

Love the insights into how the Apple and ARM lawsuits came to be!

Poor nuvia, left apple to develop something more complex than a mobile CPU, then gets bought out by Qualcomm to design a mobile CPU

there's a post about Oryon's LLVM parameters from 4 days ago (on Chips and Cheese), describing what its architecture is likely to be.

For me, this blind hype for the X Elite was nothing but annoying. Absolutely no one in the tech space questioned those extremely cherry-picked numbers from Qualcomm. I mean seriously, comparing themselves to an M2 Max in single-core is ridiculous. The Max chip was entirely about GPU, not CPU. And they introduced this thing over half a year ago and we still don't have any actual products on the market while Apple is already shipping M4 devices. Not just on paper like Qualcomm. And leaked actual tests that are not from Qualcomm are extremely hit or miss. Sometimes quite good, sometimes terrible because only the 80W variant actually performs good. Which is embarrassing in comparison to an M3 or M4 with their 20-30W maximum.

I want them to make a low end version too equivalent to intel i3, haven't heard such an announcement yet!

They should just use RISC-V

Why are you saying they can't optimize windows for arm? I've been using it on M1 and M3 MBP via parallels desktop. On the m3, geekbench benchmarks (single core) are better than native Ryzen 5800X. What's suboptimal there? Performance is really, really good.

I am cautiously optimistic about this chip when keeping semi-accurate report Well can only wait and see the 3rd party benchmark anyway

It's unclear what benefit ARM ISA brings to a Win user with an x86 program library. An emulator would have to be near perfect and not cost performance over an x86 direct to microcode CPU.

I'm a very particular type of user so I don't see myself switching to an ARM platform any time soon. I love playing games and I don't do any productivity work. I don't see Qualcomm surpassing AMD/NVIDIA/Intel in GPU performance for a very long time if ever. Having a secondary platform with ARM, maybe? But I've owned a 14" samsung tablet for a couple years now and I hardly ever use it. I always find myself going back to my desktop PC. I'm trying to sell my tablet right now because of that.